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OPERATOR: Good morning. My name is Tameka, and I will be your
operator today. (OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) Thank you. Mr. Walters, you
may begin your conference.
KIRK WALTERS, EXECUTIVE VP/CFO, SOVEREIGN BANCORP: Thank you, Tameka.
Good morning, everyone. I'd like to thank you for participating in
Sovereign's call for 2008. As a reminder, during this call, we'll
make statements or forward-looking statements. Within the meeting the
Safe Harbor provisions of the United States Private Security Reform
Act of 1995. These statements include, but are not limited to
statements about strategy, plans and objectives as well as estimates
of future operating performances. These forward-looking statements
include matters involving significant known and unknown risk,
uncertainties and other factors that may cause results to differ
materially from results in expressed or implied in these statements.
Factors that might result in such differences are outlined in our SEC
reports, including annual report and Form 10(k), and we refer you to
these documents. These factors include, but not limited to, general
economic conditions, changes in interest rates, deposit flows and
loan demands, changes in accounting principles, changes in
competitive environment, market factors in the industry and
geographic areas in which we operate and other factors. You are
cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking
statements that we speak only as of today. Sovereign undertakes no
obligation and does not intend to update these forward-looking
statements that reflect events and circumstances occuring after the
date of this call
During today's call, you will hear remarks from Joe Campanelli, our
President and CEO, as well as myself. We will then follow with a
question and answer period. At which time Bob Rose, our Chief Risk
Officer, and Tom Cestare, our Chief Accounting Officer, will be
available for questions as well.
With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Joe.
JOE CAMPANELLI, PRESIDENT/CEO, SOVEREIGN BANCORP: Thanks. Thank you,
Kirk, and good morning everyone. I, too, would like to welcome you to
our earnings call. Solid results for first quarter of 2008
demonstrate that we're continuing to make progress in reducing our
risk profile and proving the quality of our earning stream. Our
efforts are far from over, but I'm confident that our new
organizational structure, coupled with the finalization of the
executive management team will continue to transform Sovereign into a
strong financial institution while decreasing the risk profile of the
company. We're focused on our core consumer and commercial customers
in our geographical footprint , and believe there are significant
opportunities to continue to grow revenues for our existing customers
and increase the rate acquisition of new clients. We have positioned
the company to address current economic conditions and the impact
this may have on our customers and the company's financial results.
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Our entire executive team is experienced in managing major credit
cycles, including the challenges and experience in the '80s and '90s.
We're very focused in taking proactive steps to minimize the
company's risks. While we're seeing a higher level of non-performing
loans, we're working diligently with our customers to restructure
their loans when possible and where appropriate. In addition, we are
building both the allowance and loan losses and capital levels to
properly reflect the current environment. Our net interest margin has
expanded for the fifth consecutive quarter while we have improved the
mix of our funding to decrease reliance on wholesale sources. We are
pleased with the initial results of our Customer First program, which
was rolled out franchise-wide this quarter. This program is focused
on knowing our customers better than we've ever known them before and
using this knowledge to build deeper, more profitable relationships.
Over 85% of our customer deposits are portfolio managed, which we
believe will greatly improve customer retention and improve our
opportunities.
As I mentioned last quarter, we recently recruited Roy Lee with the
head retail and reinvorgate our retail banking program. Roy brings
over 30 years retail banking experience to Sovereign and is a proven
leader who has been instrumental in executing the Customer First
program. We look forward to discussing this very important initiative
providing more details on our progress at our annual in Brooklyn, NY,
on May 8th and on future earnings call. Before I turn it over to
Kirk, we announced back in February, Mark McCollom will be leaving
the company in May. I'd like to thank Mark for his committment and
acknowledge his contribution to Sovereign over the past 12 years. At
the beginning of Marc , Kirk Walters joins Sovereign as our new Chief
Financial Officer. Many of you may know him from his days at
Chittendon or his previous employers. We are pleased to have him at
Sovereign, and we will look forward to the opportunity for you to
meet the entire new executive management team. I'm proud of the team
we put together, and I'm confident that we have the right people and
right places to operate the company to the current economic
environment as well as focus on unleashing the value franchise. With
that, I'd he like to turn things over to Kirkwho will go through the
financial details on our first quarter
KIRK WALTERS: Thanks. Let me start off by saying that I am excited to
be here at Sovereign and looking forward to continuing the
transformation process with Joe and the executive management team has
started. Sovereign has a solid franchise, relatively stable markets.
They have excellent density and are deep in small to mid-sized
businesses. We recognize that our capital ratios have been a concern
to the community and are committed to improving these ratios to be
more in line to our peers. We obviously are facing a difficult
operating and economic environment, but are working on reinvesting in
our core franchise and evaluating opportunities to further reduce
non-core sets in order to use our capital resources more efficiently.
Now, let me get into some of the details on the numbers for this
quarter. For the first quarter, our net income was $100.1 million or
$0.20 per share, compared to $48.1 million or $0.09 per share. Should
be noted in the first quarter of 2007 results included charges
related to expense reduction initiative and balance sheet
restructuring of $128.7 million after tax or $0.25 s per share. For
the current quarter, our net interest margin expanded 11 bases point
to 2.88% to 2.77% last quarter and 2.70% in the first quarter of last
year. The current steepening of the yield curve and overall reduction
in short-term rates have benefited our margin. In addition, the
growth of our commercial loans coupled with the runoff of indirect
auto lobes and the improvement of the retail/wholesale mix of our
deposits have been important contributors to the margin increase.
Average deposits decreased $1.4 billion on a quarter basis to $48.8
billion. The decline was entirely attributable to run-off in higher
cost wholesale deposits. Average deposits, excluding wholesale,
increased $163 million. Breaking it down a bit further, we had a
strong retail deposit growth of $459 million for an annualized growth
rate of 5.8%, which is partially off-set by seasonal declines of
commercial deposits of $160 million and government deposits of $136
million. As Joe mentioned earlier, we believe this retail deposit
growth is a result of our increased focus on improving the retail
deposit franchise and the early impact of the Customer First
initiative. Based on the first quarter average costs to deposits,
we've lowered our total deposit costs 54 bases points during the
quarter, passing along some of short-term market rate cuts while
still seeing growth in almost all of our retail deposit categories.
We anticipate further reductions in our average costs of deposits as
the impact of the recent multiple Federal Reserve interest rate
reductions are priced into our deposit base. Average commercial loan
balances increased $935 million from the fourth quarter as a result
of higher originations of both commercial real estate and CNI loans
within our core markets. CNI loans and other commercial loans grew
$481 million to $14.5 billion on a link quarter basis. In addition,
CRE loans grew $455 millions to $12.6 billion, and multi-family loans
grew $162 million to $4.3 billion. Yields on the commercial portfolio
decreased 74 basis points into the first quarter, primarily due to
the aforementioned multiple actions by the Federal Reserves to lower
interest rates. The majority of our CNI loans are variable rate, and
the portfolio yield reflected these decreases in market interest
rates.
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The company continues to carefully monitor its commercial customers
and considering the current environment expects that it will remain
prudent and disciplined in future commercial loan growth throughout
2008. Average consumer loans decreased $398 million during the
quarter to $26.8 billion. On a spot balance basis, consumer loans
decreased $177 million from the fourth quarter of 2007. Within the
consumer loan category, residential mortgages continued to decrease
as we executed our strategy of selling the majority of our production
in the secondary markets. Average balances are down $472 million, and
period-end balances are down $63 million from the fourth quarter
levels. The company's average direct home equity loan portfolio
increased $136 million during the quarter or about 9.7% annualized,
and spot balances grew about $106 million to $5.8 billion. Yields in
this portfolio decreased 31 bases points to 6.21% as a result of
lower short-term market interest rates. Direct home loans are
generated through our branch network and have led to numerous
cross-sell opportunities. The banks direct home -- the banks direct
home equity loans are of high credit quality in the current level of
non-performing loans within the direct home equity category are 30
basis points and have been relatively flat for the post two quarters.
Current quarter originations were $920 million with a weighted
average combined LTV of 63% and a weighted average FICO of 791.
Past-due levels and losses for this portfolio continue to be stable
with past-due loans equal to 51 basis points on March 31st, 2008,
compared to 60 basis points December 31st of '07 and losses of $5.3
million for the first quarter compared to $3.8 million in the fourth
quarter of 2007. Auto loan average balances declined $29 million to
$7.0 billion. On a spot basis, auto loans declined $213 million to
$6.8 billion as a result of the decision to stop originating auto
loans in out-of-footprint markets. The yield on this portfolio
declined 14 basis points to 7% as we are focusing on originating
higher quality credits within our footprint. Current quarter
originations total $503 million compared to $549 million last quarter
with average FICO score improving to 749 from 708 a year ago.
As you will recall, we ceased originations in the Southeast and
Southwest markets effective January 31st of 2008. While we saw 11
basis points of margin expansion this quarter, our outlook on the
margin is relatively stable plus or minus five basis points as both
our variable rate loans and deposits full repriced given the recent
reductions in market interest rates. Fee income before investment
gain was $158 million for the first quarter of 2008 as compared to
$153 million in the fourth quarter of '07 and $486 million in a
similar period a year ago. Year-over-year consumer banking fees grew
$5.2 million or 8%, primarily as a result of increased deposit fees
and investment services revenues. Consumer banking fees are down $4.2
million on a link quarter basis to $73.2 million as a result of
normal seasonality of deposit fees in the first quarter of each year.
Commercial banking fees are $54.4 million in the first quarter of '08
compared to $56 million '07. Included in the first quarter '08 was a
$2.7 million securitization loss. Year-over-year commercial banking
fees grew 10% to $54.4 million due to increased deposit fees.
Mortgage banking revenues experience a loss of $5.1 million the first
quarter as compared to revenues of $9.2 million on the link quarter
basis and a loss of $107.2 million in a similar quarter a year ago.
The primary driver of this quarter's loss were servicing rights,
impairment charges on our residential and multi-family servicing
portfolios of $23.6 million, which resulted from changes in interest
rates and higher market pre-payment speed assumptions during this
quarter. Excluding this impairment charge, mortgage banking revenues
were relatively robust at $18.4 million due to increased refinance
activity and stronger margins on multi-family and residential loan
sales.
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Capital markets revenues for the quarter were $10.4 million as
compared to a loss of $18.3 million last quarter and revenue up to
$5.7 million a year ago. The fourth quarter of 2007 included $27.4
million of losses and repurchase agreements to mortgage companies.
The current quarter results were benefited by the recent interest
rate environment, which has allowed us to sell more interest rate
derivative products to our customers. During the quarter we had
investment gains on the partial redemption of our Visa, IPO shares of
$14.1 million. We still have 415,000 restricted shares in Visa that
are valued at zero on our books for the FCC guidance and accounting
for this asset. G&A expenses for the quarter were $359 million
compared to $338 million on a link quarter basis and $330 million for
the similar quarter in 2007. The fourth quarter of 2007 included an
$18.7 million reversal of incentive compensation accruals as a result
of corporate objectives not being achieved. Included in the first
quarter of 2008 were the normal seasonally higher payroll taxes of
$6.5 million. Higher deposit insurance premiums of $4.7 million and
increased marketing expense of $2.4 million, which was offset by $6.4
million reversal in legal costs, the accrual related to the Visa IPO.
Adjusting for these items, G&A expense as well as the company's
head count was relatively flat in the fourth quarter -- to the fourth
quarter of 2007.
The increase in general administrative expenses from the first
quarter of 2007 of $29 million was primarily due to increased
compensation expense of $13.7 million, which included $5 million of
reversals of incentive accruals for the first quarter of 2007. Higher
deposit insurance premiums of $7.6 million, increased marketing
expense of $7.4 million offset by the aforementioned reduction and
legal expense of $6.4 million in the first quarter of '08. Terms of
asset quality, the company added a new table, which is table G to the
press release financials. Last quarter, which highlights by type,
trend of loan composition, net charge-offs, both in dollars and a
percentage of average loans, and total past-due loans, excluding
non-performers. This quarter we've broken down the CRE category
between commercial real estate and multi-family and also segregated
the out-of-market auto and correspondent home equity loan for your
analysis. Our provision this quarter was $135 million compared to
$148 million last quarter and $46 million a year ago. We increased
our allowance for credit losses by $60.7 million to $798 million. On
March 31st, the allowance for total loans was 1.36% up from 1.28% a
year-end and 0.90% a year ago. Increase in reserves are due primarily
to growth in commercial loans and deterioration in our commercial
construction portfolio. We increased reserves for these portfolios by
$57.7 million during the quarter due to the current environment and
the resulting impact on residential construction activity. Net
charge-offs are $74.3 million or 51 basis point of average loans
compared to $60.5 million or 42 basis points of average loans in the
fourth quarter of 2007.
Sovereign ceased originating correspondent home equity loans early in
the first quarter of 2006. And, in January of this year, ceased
originating indirect auto loans out of the company's footprint.
Approximately 43% of the net charge-offs this quarter related to the
out-of-footprint indirect auto portfolio of $28.3 million and losses
on correspondent home equity loans of $4 million. Of the $13.8
million increase net charge-offs, $8.9 million related to auto loans
originated out of the footprint - out of the foot print. The
remaining balance in this out-of-footprint portfolio is $2.4 billion
out of the reserves of $91.4 million on March 31st of '08. In
addition, $4 million of net charge-offs were related to the
correspondent home equity portfolio as a remaining low COM reserve
was exhausted. Therefore, net charge-offs started to be recorded and
deducted against our allowance for loan losses this quarter. The
remaining balance of the correspondent home equity portfolio is $439
million, which consists of $321.5 a million of first lien loans, and
$117.6 million of second-lien loans with reserves of $11.6 million
and $47.8 million respectively at March 31st of '08.
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Total non-performing loans increased $113.5 million from the fourth
quarter to $417.8 million. The increase was driven by higher
non-performing commercial loans, a significant portion of which
related to the housing market. As I mentioned earlier, we have added
to our reserves for these portfolios during this quarter and in prior
quarters to cover the risk associated with these loans. That being
said, continued deterioration in these asset classes and future
periods could require additional reserves considering the current
environment. Tangible equity to tangible assets, excluding other
comprehensible income, was 4.97% on March 31st of '08 compared to
4.67% last quarter and 4.59% a year ago. Tangible common equity and
tangible assets, excluding OCI, was 4.72% compared to 4.43% last
quarter and 4.34% a year ago. Including OCI, tangible equity/tangible
assets is 4.06%, and tangible common equity and tangible assets was
3.81% March 31st of '08. Sovereign's tier one leverage ratio was
6.21% March 31st '08 as compared to 5.89% at December 31st of '07.
The company's other comprehensive income losses increased $423
million after tax from December 31st of '07, primarily due to the
impact, the reduction in interest rates had on our derivatives
portfolio of $122 million after tax as well as certain categories of
the investment portfolio. In addition, the continued widening of
credit spreads also impacted the investment portfolio. Unrealized
losses related to the investment portfolio increased $301.5 million
after tax and year-end. I'd like to spend a minute explaining each of
these categories to you. Our non-agency, mortgage-backed securities
are AAA-rated. They're not backed by any subprime mortgage-related
loans. The increase in unrealized losses in this portfolio of $111.2
million after tax since year-end is due solely to the widening of
credit spreads. The average remaining maturity in this portfolio is
3.22 years. Our municipal bonds security portfolio consists of 100%
general obligation bonds, states, city, counties and school
districts. The portfolio has a weighted average underlying credit
risk rating of AA minus. The majority of the bonds are insured to AAA
as extra credit protection. The unrealized losses of the portfolio
are increased $67.4 million after tax due to a widening of credit
speeds in the marketplace and concerns with respect to third-party
insurers. However, even if we were to assume the insurers could not
honor the obligations, our underlining portfolio is still investment
grade, and we expect all principal and interest will be realized.
The estimated remaining life of these securities is 10 years. The
increased unrealized loss in our CDO portfolio was due primarily to
the continued widening of credit spreads. Our CDO portfolio is backed
entirely by corporate names. With do not have have any exposure to
subprime or residential mortgages in our CDO portfolio. Our CDOs have
not experienced any losses to date and maintain AAA credit ratings.
All of our CDO investments have subordinated investor classes with
first lost responsibility. Based on the current subordination within
the CDOs,Sovereign would not have any loss exposure to cumulative
losses on the corporate names in the CDOs exceeded 5.15%, which is
three times the historical average loss rate. The average remaining
maturity on this portfolio is 8.61 years. As you may recall, at
December 31st of '07, we had to temporarily increase the amount of
assets at year-end to maintain compliance with certain OTS regulatory
requirement. We were able to significantly reduce the amount of
leverage at March 31st of '08 to $850 million down from $4 billion at
year-end. This decrease in leverage of approximate $3.1 billion
increased our holding company tier one ratio by 25 basis points and
our tangible ratios by 15 basis points. We're striving to fully
resolve this issue in future periods. Effective January 1st, we
modified our tangible equity ratios to include deferred tax
liabilities related to intangibles. This is consistent with industry
practice, and the inclusion of a deferred tax liabilities in this
calculation increased tangible capital ratios by approximately 35
basis points. Prior periods have been restated to reflect that
modification. The bank's tier one is leverage of 6.84%, and total
risk base capital of 10.22% continue to exceed the levels defined as
well capitalized by our regulators. Total risk capital was negatively
impacted during the quarter by 15 basis points due to qualifying
sub-debt being phased out. In addition, changes in loan mix
negatively impacted total risk base capital by approximately 23 basis
points, partially offset by 18 basis points of growth from retained
earnings. As I indicated earlier, we understand that our capital
ratios have been a concern to the investment community, and that one
of the primary responsibility of the Board of Directors and
management are to be good stewards of the existing shareholders
capital. The company regularly evaluates its capital relationship to
the current environment as well as a variety of other internal and
external factors. We are committed to focusing on the core franchise
and reducing wholesale and non-core businesses. This process of
aligning the balance sheet with our core franchise is expected to
result in a smaller institution, that's very focused on our most
profitable customers. T These strategies should improve our capital
position in future periods.
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In addition to discipline management, the balance sheet, the company
expects to continue to build its capital ratios through increase in
retained earnings and reducing its risk profile. As I previously
discussed, in the first quarter of '08 the company increased its
tangible equity /tangible asset ratios by 30 basis points to 4.97%
and its tier one leverage ratio by 32 basis points to 6.21% on a
length quarter basis. The underlying drivers of these increases were
net income of $100.1 million, which is added to retained earnings, he
suspension of the common stock dividend and the reduction in total
assets of $2.8 billion. Although we believe that we do not have an
immediate need for capital, dependent on our success and reducing the
bank's risk profile, internally generating additional capital and the
severity of the current economic downturn, we could decide we will
need to augment our capital base in future periods. I'll now turn the
call over to Joe for some closing comments before we open it up for
Q&A.
JOE CAMPANELLI: Thanks, Kirk. Excuse me. Looking ahead into the
balance of 2008, we'll continue to reduce risks throughout the
company, including credit, interest rate, liquidity and operational
risk. In addition, we continue to improve the quality and
transparency of our financial results. With that, I'd like Tameka to
open up the lines for our 2008 first quarter results.
OPERATOR: (OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) And your first question comes from
the line of Matthew O'Connor with UBS.com.
KIRK WALTERS: Hi, Matt
MATTHEW O'CONNOR, ANALYST, UBS: I can appreciate the capital getting
boosted over time form shrinking the balance a little bit and
generating positive earnings. I'm just wondering thoughts on raising
the capital quicker. If we look at the tangible comment, including
the OCI, which I think is one way to look at it, it does show up as
quite low in declined this quarter. And, just wondering with
stability of the franchise, it seems like it could be a lot easier to
raise capital now as then say a quarter ago from your perspective.
KIRK WALTERS: Well, once again, I think as we look at the variety of
capital ratios that one can look at in managing the business, clearly
one of the items is that the OCI that does flow through our GAAP
stockholders' equity is added back for both the regulatory capital
and by the rating agencies in looking at our capital ratios I don't
say. So, as we look at our overall tangible equity, capital, we think
at this point the levels are sufficient. As we indicated in our
commentary, we certainly are looking at a variety of factors, not
only within the company, but also within the environment to make sure
that we are acting prudently on a go-forward basis.
MATTHEW O'CONNOR: Okay. And then just separately the deposit trends
did stabilize and actually increased by lower seasonality in one cue.
Maybe just give a little more color on what's driving that
stabilization in core deposit franchise.
JOE CAMPANELLI: We believe, Matt, it's Joe Campanelli. We believe
it's directly tied to our new retail strategy on the Customer First
initiative, which we talked about in the past. It's a real consistent
focus on customer acquisition. We're seeing much higher levels of new
account openings and much lower attrition rate through a combination
of the whole customer-first strategy focusing on being a much better
retail experience for our clients in the Northeast.
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MATTHEW O'CONNOR: Okay. Thank you very much.
OPERATOR: Your next question comes from line of James Abbot with FBR
Capital Markets.
KIRK WALTERS: Good morning.
JAMES ABBOTT, ANALYST, FBR CAPITAL MARKETS: I'll move on.
Housekeeping item. Was there any pre-payment penalty income that was
affecting margins positively? One of your competitors had that issue
this quarter. I was just trying to see if that's the case for you
guys.
KIRK WALTERS: We did have some level of pre-payment income that was
flowing through. I think if you look at that time on a
quarter-over-quarter basis, fourth to first, the difference was only
about $100,000. And that prepayment fees that flowed through -- the
biggest piece of that is on the multi-family business that occurs in
predominantly in new York.
JAMES ABBOTT: Okay. So no material change linked quarter to the
margin. Okay.
KIRK WALTERS: No.
JOE CAMPANELLI: No, it was flat.
JAMES ABBOTT: And then one other housekeeping, and I'll move on to
the more substantive question, on the Visa -- on the legal expense,
the press release talks about it being a reduction in legal expense.
Was that a contra expense as in a credit, or is it just a lowering
from the fourth quarter level?
KIRK WALTERS: Well, in the fourth quarter, we booked the total
reserve of little over $8 million for the Visa, the Visa, whatever. I
feel the situation that was occurring there. And what we've done at
this point is we reversed $6.4 million of that. So we still are
sitting with some reserves on the books, and, on the other side,
we're still sitting with the restricted stock that we ended up with.
JAMES ABBOTT: Okay. So it was a credit then in the first quarter.
KIRK WALTERS: That's correct.
JAMES ABBOTT: All right. On the substantive question, it looks like
the CDO portfolio is -- wanted to get into a discussion on that -- it
looks like it's the right down is about $316 million -- I could be
off by a $1 million or $2 million there -- about $316 million on the
$750 million portfolio.
At what point -- I understand the conceptually usually you can
actually hold this to maturity, I suppose. There's been no impairment
in the underlying collateral at this point. But at what point do you
say this really is an impaired asset? We really need to take it other
than temporary impairment?
KIRK WALTERS: Well, every quarter we obviously go through a detailed
analysis, particularly considering the size of it. Within our own
staff here at the company, but obviously our outside auditors and
others look through it. And the real test, of course, is your ability
to intent to hold and ability to hold until you can recover the
losses. Certainly one of the factors that underlies it and in our
analysis is that the underlying bonds, our corporate bonds,
investment-grade corporate bonds, we've had no defaults on those.
Certainly the credit spread widened significantly in the corporate
market. And that is one of the, certainly the benchmarks, we will
continue to look at is the health of the corporate credit market. And
I think that will probably drive the ultimate question whether
there's any permanent impairment within those bonds.
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JAMES ABBOTT: And now in your own portfolio this quarter, you
mentioned in the press release that there was some deterioration in
the commercial, I assume that to be Commercial and Industrial loan
category. Is that -- are they at some point related cousins? I know
they're not the exact same credits.
KIRK WALTERS: No, no, they're not related cousins. But certainly as
you come to asset quality question, I can ask have Bob Rose address
what deterioration we saw in the C&I portfolios and what
categories that fell into.
JAMES ABBOTT: I'll let somebody else ask that question because I'm
sure it will. I'll just finish with the CDO portfolio, and I'll jump
off. The subordination level fell to 515. That's, I assume because
you were replacing asset, corporate bonds in the --
KIRK WALTERS: That's right, the ability under this structure to
continue to restructure depending on downgrades, concentration, et
cetera, to retain the AAA rating.
JAMES ABBOTT: Okay. And, so there are downgrades occurring, but
you've been able to maintain -- okay. And the yield on the portfolio,
it was 661 in the December quarter?
KIRK WALTERS: You're looking at the base yield or you looking at the
yield with the markdown?
JAMES ABBOTT: I guess it would be the face yield. There was slide in
the PowerPoint presentation in the fourth quarter that gave the
yield. As I understand when you replace these assets as they're
downgraded by the rating agencies, the underlying collateral, you can
take a reduction in subordination or you can take a reduction yield.
And I'm not an expert or guru in structured finance, but -- anyway,
so I would imagine maybe the yield has moved down, and I would assume
the face - the coupon yield.
KIRK WALTERS: I think the overall, if you're looking into the similar
slides that we would have had in the investor presentation, which
will be filed the end of the week, the overall, the yield at 331
would be live or plus 169 basis points.
JAMES ABBOTT: Okay, okay. Thank you very much.
KIRK WALTERS: You bet.
OPERATOR: Your next question comes comes from line of Heather Wolf
with Merrill Lynch.
KIRK WALTERS: Good morning, Heather.
HEATHER WOLF, ANALYST, MERRILL LYNCH: Hi, there. I'll go ahead and
ask the C&I question. Can you give us more color in terms of what
types of credit drove the increase in non-performing?
KIRK WALTERS: Certainly. Let me turn you over to Bob Rose, our Chief
Risk Officer.
BOB ROSE, CHIEF CREDIT RISK MANAGEMENT OFFICER, SOVEREIGN BANCORP:
Sure. Hi, Heather. When - We actually had a $92 million increase in
the NPAs of which about $55 million came out of C&I. If we were
to just kind of scale down this largest C&I name was actually a
mortgage company, which has been an old problem for us. It was
approximately $18 million. And, the way that workout is progressing,
it was just prudent for us to add it to non-accrual. It is related to
the -- is related to housing in that sense. And, the second largest
was a precious metals customer that had been in our work-up group for
seven or eight months. And it has been in bankruptcy and not been
going favorably as of late. And despite collateral coverage that's
been ample, we placed it on non-accrual. And looking down some of the
other names here, there were two borrowers for $5 million each that
went on non-accrual in the C&I book that have since been paid.
One of those were taken out by another financial institution, and
another was able to restructure his arrangement in a very favorable
way with us. So I would clearly characterize the two larger names
that I mentioned as old sort of historical problems in the vicinity
of around $30 million and $10 million of that has since exited the
building. So that would be the C&I flavor.
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HEATHER WOLF: Okay. And can you give us a little bit more color on
the increase in the past dues in the multi-family category.
BOB ROSE: One credit, Heather. One single name. 12 two-story
buildings. Bad operator. And we are coming down very hard on that
borrower to replace the management. And we don't expect any loss on
that.
HEATHER WOLF: Was it -- I assume it was New York. Was it Manhattan or
Brooklyn?
BOB ROSE: It was not new York. The multi-family group has a portfolio
out of area. Often they follow their New York customers to other
places. And it was in Florida. It is in Florida, but it is not in
Miami.
HEATHER WOLF: Okay. Great. Thanks so much.
OPERATOR: Your next question comes from line of Collyn Gilbert with
Stifel Nicolaus .
COLLYN GILBERT, ANALYST, STIFEL NICOLAUS: Good morning, guys. My
question has to do with sort of the reserve strategy behind the
out-of market auto loans. Can you just talk about that a little bit?
I mean you got $90 Kirk, you said $91.4 million in reserves. Yet,
assuming losses escalate from here, that's already eating into a
third of the reserve level. So just kind of give some guidance as to
where that reserve is going, and how you're going to build it?
KIRK WALTERS: Sure. Bob, go ahead.
BOB ROSE: Yes. We actually -- what we're seeing in the auto book in
the auto area, auto loans has been a rising level of delinquencies
and a rising level of charge-offs. And, we're starting to see that
turn in the other direction to our favor.
You may recall back July, August of last year, the bank put in place
some very concrete, strengthening procedures for better credit, more
equity in the cars and things like that. We've gone over those with
you in past calls. But, we are now seeing delinquencies falling and
delinquencies fell in the total auto book by a very large number. It
was over 23%, more than you would expect in a seasonal drop. And we
have every expectation that the charge-offs are going to begin to
plateau and begin to slowly taper down during the rest of the year.
So they have been front-loaded in 2008. And we expect to see them
slow down.
HEATHER WOLF: Okay. Because I think at one point Mark had given us a
run-rate on charge-offs in the portfolio of $10 to $12 million, I
think was it a quarter or a month?
KIRK WALTERS: That would have been a month, Heather. And I believe we
gave guidance last call somewhere between $140 and $150 for the year.
More front-loaded through the first half is what our models are
telling us. And our performance is operating in those models.
HEATHER WOLF: Okay. So if we're looking at $140 to $150 net
charge-offs for the year in this business, that $91 million in
reserves isn't going to come close to covering that. Should we assume
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KIRK WALTERS: No. No. The $140 million to $150 million is indirect in
the whole.
HEATHER WOLF: For the overall portfolio. Okay.
BOB ROSE: The entire reserve against this is March 31st is $135
million.
HEATHER WOLF: Okay. Okay. So $91 of that is to the out-of-market. So
the remainder is the in-market.
BOB ROSE: Correct.
HEATHER WOLF: Okay. Are you seeing similar trends to your in-market
auto business than you are in the out-of-market?
BOB ROSE: It's stabilized. The step up in charge-offs we saw have
stabilized. Delinquencies are down. And, we expect the same trend.
HEATHER WOLF: Okay. Very good.
Thanks.
KIRK WALTERS: You bet.
OPERATOR: Your next question comes from line of Matthew Kelly with
the Sterne, Agee.
KIRK WALTERS: Hi, Matt. Good morning.
MATTHEW KELLY, ANALYST, STERNE, AGEE: Hi. Along the lines of capital.
It sounds like the preferred method here is to give it a go if a
shrink in the balance sheet. Kind of seen some of these credit costs
stabilizing. But, I was wondering if you can give us a better sense
of how much we should expect to see the asset levels come down, the
risk-based asset levels come down, maybe kind of break it down a
little bit by bucket there in terms of hitting some of your goals.
What are those goals for capital over the next six, 12, 24 months?
KIRK WALTERS: We haven't, Matt, as you go through that, really, we
haven't put anything out public in terms of specific goals. I think
what we're certainly trying to put the message across as we know that
our primary responsibility is to be good stewards of the existing
shareholders capital. Accordingly, under that scenario of continuing
to work our balance sheet down in a careful and thoughtful fashion,
not only on the wholesale activities, but also on anything that we
look at and deem to be non-core businesses as we sort through it. And
make sure that our balance sheet is right size as we look at the
capital needs. While at the same time obviously adding to it in
retaining the earnings and doing what we can to move the risk
structure for regulatory standpoint to maximize that capital. As we
indicate in our comments, that being said we certainly are going to
remain to be diligent and thoughtful about what all has gone on in
the macro environment as well in terms of the overall credit
environment as well as the other factors that play into it.
MATTHEW KELLY: Okay. I mean, in the current quarter total assets are
down 3%. The fourth quarter they're down 2%. Would it be fair to kind
of extrapolate those type of percentage drops over the next couple of
quarters in terms of -- ?
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KIRK WALTERS: Yes, I think at this point we're really not in a
position or really not intending to give any specific guidance on
them.
MATTHEW KELLY: Okay.
KIRK WALTERS: All right?
MATTHEW KELLY: Thank you.
OPERATOR: Your next question comes from line of John Wagner with
Camden Asset Management .
JOHN WAGNER, ANALYST, CAMDEN ASSET MANAGEMENT: It's been answered.
Thanks.
OPERATOR: Your next question comes from line of Ken Usdin with Banc
of America.
KIRK WALTERS: Morning, Ken.
OPERATOR: Ken, your line is open.
KEN USDIN, ANALYST, BANC OF AMERICA SECURITIES: Sorry, about that.
Pardon me. Good morning. Two questions if I may. First, just on asset
quality broadly, speaking the third straight quarter of a really
sizable provision and understanding the risks still out there as far
as the direction and magnitude of where the economic deterioration
goes? I'm just wondering if you can give us a little more color on
your overall comfort with the reserve and/or how much we might expect
you to need to over-provide as we still go forward through this
cycle?
KIRK WALTERS: Let me take an initial crack at that time, and we'll
have Bob augment my comments. I think in terms of the overall reserve
and what we're seeing in terms of the environment we are obviously
continuing to build that reserve now since at 1.36% of loans and
provide it well in excess of charge-offs for this quarter. We
obviously need to really continue to evaluate the economic
environment, how that's going to play out against our portfolios and
such, as to needs -- the further needs to increase absolute level and
then ultimately how you expect to see the charge-offs come through.
But, it is one I think if we see the continuing deterioration in the
economy that it was certainly prudent to continue to build those
reserves as we did this quarter. Bob.
BOB ROSE: Right. I would comment on three things. I would say that
we've taken a kind of concerted effort to turning the dial on the
factors that we use for our past loans and recognition that the
economy is not improving. At best, it's stable, but it's clearly not
going to get much better fast. And it has been skewed heavily towards
commercial real estate construction with a flavor towards home
builders. And so increasing those past factors is anticipatory of
what could be happening in those portfolios.
Secondly, we recognize deterioration in those portfolios. And, that's
been driving more money into the reserve and excessive charge-offs.
And, we continue to take, and we are taking a deep look and a hard
look at certain segments of the portfolio given what's going on
around us. And being as conservative as we can in our acknowledgement
of given customer status. So, those are really the three primary
reasons behind the excess provisioning.
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KEN USDIN: Okay. And, okay. But do you think that though that -- I
guess I'm really wondering also about the magnitude of lower
provision. Take all things considered, you've taken on a conservative
over-provisioning. Yet, it seems your view is a little, you know,
less optimistic. I'm just wondering if you think it's at magnitude of
over-provision. We all believe that over-provisioning will continue.
I'm wondering if you believe the magnitude of over-provisioning might
have to widen out also.
KIRK WALTERS: Yes, I think that's one that we'll obviously be
evaluating quarter-to-quarter. If you look, we would probably not
expect certainly during this year to see charge-offs appreciably drop
during on a quarterly basis. And, so, As we look on a
quarter-to-quarter basis what's going on in terms of specific
portfolios and, such, the need as Bob would say, the need to adjust
the dials and reflect that in the portfolio is what's going to drive
the underlying amounts. What's important is we're careful and
thoughtful and make sure we're adequately reserved to deal with those
factors.
KEN USDIN: Okay, great. My second question just relates to the
margins. I know there's a lot of moving factors with you shrinking
the balance sheet and the liability sensitivity playing out a little
bit. I'm just wondering what would prevent the margin from being
biased towards the upside? You kind of gave a brood plus or minus
five basis points. What are the factors that are really still
weighing on the margin and preventing it from continuing from to move
- to move directionally higher?
KIRK WALTERS: Well, I think as we see the numbers continue to play
out from the current set increase, we're going to see yield
portfolios, the portfolios, the loan portfolios, excuse me, yield
drop as all the replacing goes through on the commercial side. I'm
thinking our consumer side on the focus at the higher end of the
quality spectrum and the end-market and auto and a variety of things
and continued adjustments coming through on home equities you'll see
that drop in there as a piece, I'm sorry, that drop in there as well.
On the deposit side, we will certainly continue to push down as we're
able to deposit rates. One of the realities that you have to face
though is looking at the absolute level of rates, you will start
running into some of those situations like we did back in '03 that
you are limited in terms of how much you can continue to push down
the rates in the customers and still have them feel like there's a
fair deal for all on the strict - on the overall deposits. So there
are pieces going both ways. Some of that obviously, but ultimately
the Fed does. A lot of it is what our competitors do, et cetera, et
cetera, that we'll balance against. I think that's the plus or minus
5 right now is a pretty good indication for what we currently see.
And certainly as we go forward into the future into the quarters, we
can certainly update that.
KEN USDIN: Okay. Great. Thanks a lot.
KIRK WALTERS: You bet.
OPERATOR: Your next question comes from the line of Robert Roell of
RiverSource.
KURT SWARTZ, SENIOR VP AND DIRECTOR, TAX., SOVEREIGN BANCORP: Hi,
Rob.
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ROBERT ROELL, ANALYST, RIVERSOURCE: Hi, good morning. Thank you. I
have two questions. And I guess the theme is the same. Many have
asked about credit and capital. I guess my credit question is -- I
just have I guess a fundamentally I have a hard time reconciling an
acceleration MPAs in the quarter with a decline in reserve coverage
of those MPAs. So I guess the question is, is now the time to reduce
-- why is now the time to have our coverage ratio of our -- reserve
coverage ratio of our MPAs go down when in fact our MPAs are
accelerating?
KURT SWARTZ: I'm going to have Bob answer that question because it
really is a factor of how you are valuing and what you reserved
against the Mpas going in there. So, Bob, go ahead.
BOB ROSE: Right. The fact a loan is on non-accrual or non-performing
status, Robert, doesn't necessarily mean that it has a high loss in
it. In some cases there are no losses or right on the cusp.
And, so I think that in times like you can see that ratio drop a
little bit. You'll see it move around as names come in and out of
here. But, I don't think there's any magic that says a reserve has to
always been 200% of MPAs or 175% of MPAs. Then if we went down them
name-by-name, I think some of them are current on their payments to
us. It's just a way we call them in the workouts.
ROBERT ROELL: So effectively, I mean, effectively, you think you have
visibility into what the ultimate charge-offs would be from the
current MPA -MPAs. And that's, I guess, what gives you the conviction
sort of that you don't need to maintain the previous levels of
coverage. Is that correct?
BOB ROSE: Well, yes. In the case of commercial real estate
non-performing assets, on non-accrual loans, they're all in the
managed assets group. They're all managed very intently. We review
them on a name-by-name basis. We take charge-offs where appropriate
when the time is correct, when it would appear that we're in a
permanently impaired situation. And so, that review gives us a very
strong disability in them. To the extent an MPA is in OREO they're
written down to a carrying value before they're placed into OREOs to
so they reflect a realizable value dollar-for-dollar. So there is
good knowledge of them on a one-by-one basis.
ROBERT ROELL: And then just regarding the forward look, obviously the
economy is not accelerating here. I guess, doesn't prudence -- just
answer this question, doesn't prudence warrant that you keep the
reserve maybe higher just out of prudence, considering the
uncertainty of things?
KURT SWARTZ: I would go back once again that I don't think we manage
or look to manage our credit quality by that ratio. There's a lot of
factors that go into the numbers in terms of how we look at our
allowance and adequacy of our allowance, et cetera. And that's just
one of many ratios that happen to fall out.
ROBERT ROELL: Okay. Regarding capital, obviously, tangible capital of
the company is very low relative to on an absolute basis and relative
to most banking institutions in this country. One question I have is
we've seen a lot of other banks and thrifts with much higher capital
levels go out and raise billions of dollars of capital. And I guess
in some ways some of this is forced by regulators, and I guess it's a
two-part question. Why do you think you can escape that capital
raising? And no. two, whether is your next deep examination by the
OTS?
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KURT SWARTZ: Well, in relation to no one, I think we've already went
through that and described how we look at capital, what we're going
to do, et cetera, and how we're going to continuously evaluate it on
a go-forward basis. I think, that's been addressed in a number of
questions. Second, we are examined on an annual basis by the
regulators on a variety of fronts, obviously safety and soundness as
well as CRA trust, et cetera.
ROBERT ROELL: When is the next examination?
KURT SWARTZ: That is not something that is out there as public
information. All I can say -- all I can say at this point is that
we're examined annually as most large institutions are, and, as most
large institutions are, there's almost continuous discussion and
following and dialogue with the regulators on a regular basis.
ROBERT ROELL: Have they -- have you received any inbound calls on
your capital ratios? Is it something you would be worried about at
this point?
KURT SWARTZ: Well, as I said earlier, we really have covered the
capital discussion, how we're going about it. I don't think there's
any other commentary that would be appropriate at this point.
ROBERT ROELL: Okay. Thanks very much.
OPERATOR: Your next question comes from line of Gerard Cassidy of RBC
Capital Market.
GERARD CASSIDY, ANALYST, RBC CAPITAL MARKET: Hi, Kirk, how are you?
KIRK WALTERS: I'm doing fine, how are you?
GERARD CASSIDY: Good. Good to hear your voice. Question for you, on
the home equity correspondent portfolio, which, I think, totals $500
million at the end of '07. I apologize if you've already said this.
I've been on and off the call. Where does that stand today? And,
within that portfolio, what kind of losses are you seeing when the
consolidated loan-to-value number is over 90% for that portion of the
corresponding portfolio?
KIRK WALTERS: The - in terms of the correspondent portfolio itself --
just looking back here to my notes -- we have a total -- the
remaining total in that portfolio is $439 million of which, of
course, $321 million is first lien loans, which we have reserves of
about $11.6 against. And $117.6 million is the second lien loans,
which are pretty heavily reserved at $47.8 million. So, with that as
a backdrop, turn the second question over to Bob Rose.
BOB ROSE: Well, we've seen some fairly heavy losses on this
particular portfolio. The second liens in particular. The second
liens, because of the nature of this portfolio, it's had a very high
loan-to-value profile. A FICA profile that was skewed due to the
subprime areas. And we see in some cases you're at 100% losses on the
second mortgage.
GERARD CASSIDY: Which is what we're hearing from others as well.
BOB ROSE: Exactly. It is a well-reserved portfolio the way we have it
set up today. We have, as of March 31st, the reserves on the second
liens are almost 40% on the principal balances. So, we look at this
over its remaining lifetime and make adjustments up or down for the
reserve as we see the life of it playing out.
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GERARD CASSIDY: As a follow-up question to this, and possibly, Joe,
you might want to answer this as well, with what's going on in
Washington with some of the legislation that Barney Frank from your
state as well as Dodd from Connecticut is pushing regarding relief
for people that have - whose houses are upside down, where the value
of the home is less than the mortgage. Does that worry you guys about
the moral hazard of the people who have big home equity portfolios
that maybe more people rush -- if this legislation is ever passed,
the unintended consequences - more people come rushing in to
participate in this program, and therefore home equity portfolios may
have greater risk in them if some type of legislation similar to
what's being talked about is actually passed?
JOE CAMPANELLI: Yes, I think it's hard to predict anything that's
going to come out of Washington, especially during an election year.
So you probably have as good an insight as I do, Gerard. But, we
believe we will not be affected significantly when you look at the
nature of our home equity portfolio. It's really the tale of two
cities. You have the residual portfolio, legacy, correspondents
businesses, we exited back in '06, early, and we sold the majority of
that, both first and second mortgages, to some $3.5 billion between
the end of '06 and early '07. So, this is really a runoff that is
very troubled, as Bob talked about. We put up significant reserves to
keep in track. The balance of our home equity is really high-quality
FICO scores, relatively stable communities in the Northeast. We have
good diversity of employment. And people need their homes to sort of
live in and what not. So, it's really at the higher-end of the market
in an area where there's a much better balance between supply and
demand levels. So, we really have not seen any -- we saw
delinquencies come down the first quarter, and our charge-offs fall
to an all-time historial levels. It truly speaks to the underwriting
going in. I think, I don't know if you want to call earlier, the
average originations last quarter were at about 791 bureau score.
About a 63% combined loan of value, first and second mortgage, all
within footprint. So, this is an industry-wide effect, we believe
will be less impacted than other regions and other types of customer
segments.
GERARD CASSIDY: And, another question. I think Bob mentioned
something about a non-performing asset that was down in Florida,
multifamily type of property. And, I thought I heard one of the
reasons that you have it is you followed one of your in footprint
down to Florida. What percentage of your commercial real estate or
multi-family portfolio is in that category where it's an in-footprint
developer that's chosen to go to Florida or some other part outside
your footprint?
BOB ROSE: Well, it can be common in certain types -- certain types of
operators. Let me just turn to the right page here. In the
multi-family book, I believe they have 200 -- one SEC SEC -- a
multifamily book has $200 million in multi- exposure in the state of
Florida. And practically all of that are customers that operate in
both places.
GERARD CASSIDY: And how about just other out-of-footprint, not just
Florida, or is that the extent of it? It's just in Florida?
BOB ROSE: No, we have commercial real estate business that's heavily
concentrated in our footprint. But we do have it in other states. But
-- let's see, yes, Florida would be the largest piece of it. That
would be the biggest number.
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JOE CAMPANELLI: Hi, Gerard, in our investor slides, which will be
filed next Monday, we do have a graph that gives sort of the
out-of-footprint by portfolio. So your question on multi-family,
about 14% the multi-family is out-of-footprint.
GERARD CASSIDY: Great. And then finally, coming back to the capital
commentary you guys have had. We're seeing companies raising capital
with either private equity or straight common offerings. With your
ownership with the Spanish Bank, is there any special or different
restrictions or opportunities that you have in terms of, should you
ever decide to raise capital in whatever form, a preferred or a
common offering, at some point in the future, could you share with if
there's any color -- is different from what other banks are doing
because of that ownership by the Spanish?
JOE CAMPANELLI: No, Jerry. It's a public document, so I'm sure you've
seen it. There's nothing in it that precludes us from taking
appropriate steps that we feel would be necessary if the time ever
came.
KIRK WALTERS: And, in terms of obviously what our responsibilities
here are, and, I think, we're pretty clear in the commentary to all
the shareholders in terms of making sure we're good stewards of
capital there. And, there's nothing in particular one way or the
other that would be driven by one shareholder or the other.
GERARD CASSIDY: Thank you.
OPERATOR: Your next question comes from line Sal DiMartino with Bear
Stearns.
JOE CAMPANELLI: Morning, Sal.
SAL DIMARTINO, ANALYST, BEAR STEARNS: Hi, good morning. Most of my
questions have been asked. I do have a couple. One is more of a
housekeeping one. And that is can you give us the size of your home
builder portfolio at the end of the quarter?
And the second question, and this is probably for Joe, could you
provide us with an update on your retail banking strategy? I think
you had a pilot program with Santander in the Phillie market? Where
does that stand, and when will that be rolled out to the rest of the
franchise?
BOB ROSE: Sal, this is Bob. The home builder portfolio outstandings
are about $982 million at the end of March.
SAL DIMARTINO: Okay, and geographically, is it still mostly in the
Mid-Atlantic?
BOB ROSE: Yes, it is. $600 million is in the Mid-Atlantic and $250
million is in New England.
SAL DIMARTINO: Great. Thanks.
JOE CAMPANELLI: On your second question, you may recall from prior
earnings calls we talked about our Customer First initiative. During
the course of 2007, we took a hard look at our whole organizational
structure and strategy. And we recognized we have significant
opportunities on the retail front to really stimulate retail customer
acquisitions and really grow at least market rates if not faster with
the franchise that we put together.
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We had a group internally that was supplemented with some consultants
that we engaged from Santander and looked at some of the activities
that they had found successful in Europe and other areas in Latin
America. And put together a team to formulate what's the best
strategy for us us to execute. We implemented the test program in the
fourth quarter of '07 to really fine-tune the structure and strategy.
We rolled out that entire strategy bank-wide to 750 branches. You may
recall that the the test program was concentrated in about 25
branches. We saw significant improvements in productivity.
With the rollout in January also supplemented it with the -- a new
organizational structure headed up by Roy Leaver, which we talked
about earlier. During the course of the first quarter, we've seen
strong results. They showed up in our retail deposit numbers, 5.8% on
a quarter link deposit growth. Really a combination of higher levels
of customer acquisitions and lower levels of customer attrition.
We're looking at a set of metric we can share with the street on a
regular basis to track what progress we make there. But the end of
the day, it's really predicated on knowing our customers better than
ever before and taking our knowledge and using it to really drive
further cross-selling in faster acquisition of new clients. So, it's
probably one of the most significant initiatives we have given the
opportunity we have in our deposit franchise in the northeast.
KIRK WALTERS: And Sal, Roy will be one of the featured speakers at
our annual meeting in Brooklyn on May 8th as well. So, there will be
more discussion and information to be put out at that time.
SAL DIMARTINO: Okay. Good. Thank you.
KIRK WALTERS: Tameka, we have time for one more question.
OPERATOR: Okay, your final question comes from line of Rick Weiss
with Janney.
KIRK WALTERS: Morning, Rick.
RICK WEISS, ANALYST, JANNEY: Already answered.
KIRK WALTERS: All right. Great.
RICK WEISS: Okay.
KIRK WALTERS: All right. Well, since we have went well over the time,
certainly appreciate everybody listening in in the interest in
Sovereign. And, I'm sure we'll be talking to folks as we go forward
here. Thanks a bunch.
JOE CAMPANELLI: Thanks, everyone.
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